*****Editor’s note: In response to the activism on this site, and on various other media platforms, TFG removed these shirts from their shelves and agreed to conduct an internal audit of all t-shirts *********
Following this excellent piece by Rebecca Hodes who asks Markhams to take offensive T-shirts off their shelves, we decided to create a page for us to show the shirts that are offensive, inappropriate and simply stupid. Sadly, these all seem to be from the Foschini group. FeministsSA says boycott Foschini until they stop printing women-hating, reckless and, tasteless t-shirts.
Companies in the Foschini Group include:
- Foschini
- Donna-Claire
- Fashion Express
- Luella
- Markhams
- Exact!
- Totalsports
- Sportscene
- Due South
- American Swiss
- Sterns
- Matrix
- @home
- @homelivingspace
Sportscene:
Another offensive number from Sportscene
Markhams:
Revolting T-shirt from Markhams
Sportscene:
Revolting T-shirt from Sports Scene
Markhams:
The T-shirt from Markhams
Thank you for posting these pictures, it’s good to put this info out there so we can fight against this.
Thanks FeministsSA. I’m trying to find Foschini on Facebook or Twitter to express my anger but they appear not to have taken to social networking. But I’ll be sure to post this to my Facebook page.
you go girlfriend. jokes. come on, get back to work.
what.the.fuck.
if there weren’t pics i’d think this was a joke.
this is absolutely appalling!
Hmm. While I certainly think these T-shirts are repulsive, I kind of have mixed feelings about the idea of ‘fighting against them’. After all, my sense is that they are actually self-defaming – at least in my world, no self respecting person who sees a guy wearing a shirt that says ‘my cock will destroy you’ or that testifies to the fact that he proudly sports STDs and wants only to infect some casual sex partner to bolster his sense of masculinity and personal power, is actually going to humour said guy. He strikes me as his own worst enemy (I’m probably being naive here, since the one and only time I saw a guy wearing one of the aforementioned ‘my cock’ shirts he was holding hand). Still, ultimately, it’s pretty despicable that major outlets are doing the humouring. Imagine if the ‘novelty/joke’ T-shirts had to do with race? Gender-based discrimination too often flies under the radar or is excused and justified in SA.
Actually, it’s not just in SA. This is in Britain: http://jezebel.com/jamrags/
Very well said.
Eish!
They’re just lame shirts and I would never buy one.
But with that said, some idiots probably find them amusing and would.
I don’t think it’s worthy of a boycott… no one is forcing people to buy them.
I agree with you! I don’t think I know any guys that will actually wear that crap, and if they do want to wear it, I wont take offense, I would probably just laugh at someone that’s being a complete idiot.
Boycotting the store? No.
Slapping any guy that might actually wear this crap? Yes!!
woman hating and reckless? boycotting?
this is why feminist organisations are not taken seriously by the vast majority of people (men and women).
Pathetic.
Feminist groups aren’t taken seriously? Do you have any examples of this? And why is it pathetic?
see 90% of comments on this post.
So you’re basing your comment on the comments you see on this post? THAT’S the example you’re using? Rather lame, pal. I could also argue that “most” of the comments being posted here are left by women-disrespecting people. But that’s just my view.
the word you’re looking for is misogynists. and if they make up the majority of this blogs readers then perhaps it is not succeeding in its aims in the first place. The problem (in my opinion) with girls labeling themselves ‘feminists’ and raging on blogs is that they generally (no research done here either as I am merely replying to a thread) is that that group comprises mostly (not entirely) of 20-somethings without much real world experience who finally have a bit of freedom and feel the need to stand for something, anything.
you want people to respect you as a woman, respect your rights, but you also want to tell people what they can and cant wear. thats called having double standards and it’s what stands in the way of you being taken seriously. your comment below to werner weber begs a mention: you think its fine for girls to dress however (and I agree, for the record), yet a guy cant wear a shirt saying xyz? wearing a shirt with a slogan (as above) is every bit as likely to make you a rapist as wearing a short skirt implies you’re ‘asking for it’. you can wear your short skirt – I’d never think of telling you otherwise. (that’s called irony btw).
the fact is that it boring writing about real issues facing your gender, it’s infinitely easier (lazy journalism?) to find something silly and make a huge fuss about it.
Although feminism speaks the language of liberation, self-fulfillment, options, and the removal of barriers, these phrases invariably mean their opposites and disguise an agenda at variance with the ideals of a free society
Wow if I didn’t give so much of a damn, I might have been disgusted. maybe(probably not)
They’re hitting their target market. I don’t see what is so bad about it.
we too often think something we disagree with is discriminatory. imagine if everything was mediocre and middle of the road and appealed to everyone. don’t buy or wear a t-shirt you don’t like, but to waste your time and effort trying to make people boycott an entire retail chain…. wow. I find leopard print offensive but I’ll still shop at a place that sells it…
So a satirical or humorous shirt is more stupid than some of the skimpy outfits the girls are wearing nowadays?
Some of these aren’t original as the “S.I.N.G.L.E.” joke was coined by Jeff Foxworthy some 15 years ago.
Get over it, everyone has the freedom of expression and I don’t think this is demeaning in any way… stupid, but not demeaning.
Oh, so it’s worse to wear something “skimpy” (because, you know, women can’t wear a short skirt without people jumping to conclusions about her) than to wear something supports STDs?
My, aren’t you the misogynist.
The point.. you are missing it.
Women can wear what they want. My point is people make a fuss about silly shirts and say that advertising “STDs” is a problem with society. BUT those shirts are humorous, a joke, something funny, not to be taken literally.
Our society have far deeper rooted issues than t-shirts that a few people find offensive. It should be anyone’s right to offend another person, that’s what freedom of expression is all about, as long as it doesn’t constitute hate speech or incite to cause harm.
Our society is riddled with filth and open sexual conduct, I think what these shirts are doing, is pointing it out in a funny way. You don’t have to buy them, that is your right. You may get offended by them, that is also your right. What I am trying to say is, in the grand scheme of things, these shirts are the least of a “feminists movement” problem.
Lauren you may want to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg
But these t-shirts would very probably be worn by people who wouldn’t see the supposed humour or irony of it. Secondly, I don’t think we’ve reached the stage in our society where we can joke about STDs and thinking of women as sex objects. At least not until we get to a stage where all members of society truly see women on an equal footing. And by the looks of it, that’s a long time coming.
Also, you’ll have to explain to me what you mean by filth and “open sexual conduct”.
Just go to any club on the weekend and watch body language and general behavior.
Which would signify what exactly?
Start a campaign against the group and highlight a clothing range many people didn’t know existed – like Julius threatening to stop tweets.
Ok damn, that sportscene shirt……………………
I don’t think they mean any harm, we just
need a sense of humour.
I simply find these tee’s amusing; simply because I’m a responsible adult with a bit of some sense of humour. And yes, I am female. Some designer saw the opportunity and grabbed it.. I mean, no one can argue with the fact that these shirts are selling.
However, past the humourous side, these shirts can be offensive. Imagine a little boy being exposed to that, (these t-shirts are worn anywhere), they’ll most prob lose respect for their mothers/women out there because that’s what society brings across.
I say, wear that t-shirt on a night out, clubbing, etc; just not in an inappropriate public area. It’s true, some girls also act in a way that’s very inappropriate. So it’s 50/50.
Let’s just respect each other, easy. There’s always a time and place for everything.
In conclusion, boycotting the stores is not an answer. Maybe confront them and ask them to make everyone aware that all of the print is just a joke.. Just maybe, so that even the person wearing it can know that he musn’t act literally on what the tee is saying.
Im sure younger kids are going to be seen wearing these shirts as well …
Imagine a 10 year old girl wearing a shirt saying “Slut- come and get some” (- that was one of the shirts i saw at Sportscene a while back.)
i think if it was a different shop (independent of Foschini) it wouldn’t have been so bad, but Foschini is associated with family shopping/brands – it is just out of place. For me its not a “feminist” thing – its just shocking to see these Foschini shirts with their “amusing” labels degrading society like that.
Actually I was going through the comments and find a few amusing and others just and empty rant.
Honestly I’ve seen little girls running about with “Sexy” printed on their tshirts and personally I find that far more offensive than any of those slogan tshirts. If some younger kid gets the STUD tshirt and they don’t understand the joke, it’s fine. If they then question what an STD is, then it’s really a positive spin on it. So I’ll negate your arguemnt on age.
I’m not going to be wearing a tshirt that states that I have a STD for obvious reasons. But as pointed out earlier most of those are such old jokes. Honestly, look around, I think society does an awesome job of degrading itself, regardless of “amusing” labels.
It’s hard not to get the vibe that everyone trying to boycott this, is probably a bored housewife that has a husband with a lot of money and a low libido.
If you want to fight for a cause, do something worthwhile. There are so many more things that you could involve yourselves in besides a pathetic rant about how bad certain t-shirts are.
Don’t like them, don’t buy them. It’s quite simple.
This whole idealogy of being a feminist is so over-played. Get a new hobby ladies. Do something productive with yourselves instead of being on the defensive 24/7.
Now go make me a sandwich.
This was obviously written by someone who takes herself way too seriously and I have to applaud the men who stood up and said that men who wear these T shirts don’t think less about women, they just don’t over think things the way the feminist of this column does … I must say though … nice way to get traffic to your blog! Hope this gets you freshly pressed.
Nobody has the right to control the lives of others to the extent of banning certain forms of entertainment. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. If you start censoring things where do you stop? Next, an article, after that video, after that a book? This will lead to a dulling of opinion, a degradation of free thinking and an installation of hatred and misconception and misunderstanding. If you have a problem with the shirts, put them in context, explain why to your children, nieces, nephews and move on and bring to light your views and express them rationally. You can’t always get what you want and how do you wish to live in a democratic society if you live a sheltered life. Get over, and if you’re really bored maybe try protesting against something of substance.
Hi everyone
We have noted the comments and views regarding graphic tees available at sportscene.
Firstly, we are sorry if we have inadvertently offended anyone as this was not the intention. The slogans and graphics on our t-shirts were meant to be humorous, sexy and tongue-in-cheek.
Secondly, we have reviewed our current range of tees as well as any future orders, to ensure that any t-shirts which might be considered sexist, offensive or demeaning are removed. We have already instructed our stores to remove the T-shirts but please note that this might take a little while.
Once again, we apologise sincerely for inadvertently upsetting anyone. We appreciate any feedback and support.
Thank you from the sportscene team
weak sportscene! this is a site that does not represent the views of the majority of south africans.
‘feminist’ agenda: 1, common sense and freedom of expression: 0.
It’s time retailers backed their products and listened to their actual customers. how many people here would have bought the shirts anyway? and they’d have forgotten to boycott the chain the moment the next sale started.
as for the comment above – if feministsSA (and their readers) would like to be involved in the review process and decide what sportscene puts on it’s shelves, I propose sportscene (and all their customers) be allowed to review all articles before they are allowed to be published on this blog.
So because, in your opinion, it doesn’t represent the majority of views in this country (even if those views might be wrong), said store should have left the t-shirts up? That’s a weak argument.
@Lauren, it’s not a weak argument – i think the concept is called democracy? As I mentioned, they should pull their shirts if their actual customers have a problem – not if someone or a small group takes offense at them…
Dear Sportscene,
Thank you for your feedback. I’m not sure how you could have thought any of these shirts were sexy, but am relieved nonetheless that you will be removing some T-shirts. FeministsSA and its readers would be more than happy to assist you with that review process.
Many thanks,
Jen
Editor of FeministsSA
i see we aren’t loading responses that make valid points against your agenda. expected.
Well they need some way of luring buyers, touch them and feel the cheap material. I guess they had to top them off with a cheap tag line too
Well clearly there’s a significant proportion of the population who haven’t moved an inch from where we were in the dark ages!
It seems that it’s ok to promote inappropriate behaviour like lying, passing on STD’s, having no regard for people & treating people like objects. Is a joke that was made over 15 years ago still amusing after all these years? Or are we surrounded by Luddites who are oblivious to what we claim to be striving for – namely a society of equality, fairness, opportunity – and all those things we uphold and are proud of in our constitution.
Maybe that’s why that old joke is still amusing to some – their head space is still stuck in the time when that joke was uproariously funny! We’ve moved on… or so I thought. So called “humour” of this ilk highlights the reality that progress and community consciousness has slipped past many many people.
Just ask yourself why you laugh at these t-shirts or anything else you find funny for that matter – it’s often and usually a response to recognising a truth – as you see it! We laugh at jokes because of the truth of the matter, the reality presented.
Laughing at t-shirts like these is an acknowledgement of your truth….if you see the suggestions presented on these t-shirts as being part of your truth, I strongly suggest you seek out a therapist and start doing some work, or go and live in another country where sexism, objectification, deceit and materialism are seen as appropriate and socially acceptable.
Of you go now… leave us “extremists” who take umbrage at these t-shirts to our sense of humour failures. Personally I’d rather have my sense of humour failure than the STD you will soon be suffering.
I find this whole issue amusing to say the least…the amount of effort expended on getting a few perfectly harmless t-shirts removed from a fashion retailer, instead of say, taking a stand against abuse on women…is pathetic. Not surprised though…it has become typical of most organizations in South Africa to get sidetracked by senseless arguments. And taking a closer look at the content of these actual t-shirts, I seriously do not get what the fuss is about:
1. “How to get laid – lie an tell her you love her” : yeah and so what? is removing this t-shirt going to stop certain men from being deubious in their efforts to get sex? Nope.
2. “You look better from behind” : Seriously now, this could mean a million different things…from favouring doggy style sex positions to saying you have a cute ass. Geez…it’s actually not even gender-specific!
3. “I put the STD in Stud – all I need is you” : Last time I checked, “STD” was also an acronym for “Standard”.
4. “SINGLE – Stay Intoxicated Nightly Get Laid Everyday” : So this is sexist in what way? It promotes the consumption of alcohol & a healthy sex life. Again, no mention or even an implied mention of women or even treating women as objects.
Seriously, this was a waste of time…and I will boycott Foschini just for taking note of this crap.
ok, the jokes are stale and the not really funny but how are they sexist? The shirts may be made for men and sold in the men’s department but if the guy is gay the message suddenly has no meaning?
This is more an example of choosing to be offended rather than offense being offered.
Surely we have better things to worry about than trying to ruin the livelihood of a regular bunch of people because a bunch of grundies got ‘offended’
“Bunch of grundies” Seriously dude, did you grow up under a rock. No wonder you support a society that tells our young boys that it is ok to “recylcle” girls. Maybe you should go back to your cave and don’t forget to drag your next shag along by the hair!
I am a 50 year old female who started working in the 80′s when the labour laws were non existant and banks, retail shops requested a letter from your husband giving you “permission” to open an account. That ladies, was something to shout about,and shout we did. But to demand T.shirts to be taken off shelves……! Freedom of choice, should idiots want to buy and wear T shirts with silly logos let them, teach your daughters not to date or marry the guys wearing them. Let us not turn into a nanny state where freedom of choice is removed. Jackie
Best response to far. Nailed it, Jackie!
I have a shirt that says “Beauty is only a light switch away”.
Are ya’ll going to boycott me? Cos that would be kind of nice. I don’t think I want to hang around with people who kick up a fuss over something this silly.
I find it hard to believe that the majority of South Africans will take offence at these. It’s overly obvious that the message is tongue in cheek. No one is going to go around saying he’s got an STD, and it’s the same with the others.
Disgusting?! Horrific?! Gosh my moral fibre is unravelling and my eyes bleeding after seeing those tees.
They are really not that bad. Relax. Take a look outside, it’s a beautiful day. Go dress up in a flowery dress and prance in the summer breeze. You might just find a handsome guy walking by who’s willing to give you some sweet love. What’s printed on T-shirts in Foschini would seem a lot less important then I’m sure.
I am a gay man. Is it still sexist for me to wear these shirts?
I was linked here from the news24.com article.
This is another ridiculous example of an extremist group who enforce their opinions on others.
Personally i do not like the shirts, but i believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.
The idea of having an extremist entity assisting in the review of anything is beyond my comprehension.
There are bigger issues to consider than t-shirts in Our country.
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Hi there,
Interesting take on the issue, and what you have said about the choices people make in wearing things are completely valid.
That being said, it must be recognised (and you’re welcome to spend your time looking at govt stats if that gets your heart going) women are in a situation of economic disadvantage in SA and are also the primary targets of sexual violence.
The high rates of sexual violence in South Africa (over 60000 rapes reported last year) indicate that the equality that feminists are fighting for does not exist. Men still have a particular understanding of women’s place in society, and of what it means to be a real man. These understandings are at odds with the constitutional freedoms women are provided with, and the protections provided by the law.
A sexist t-shirt in a non-sexist society would not make sense, in the same way that a racist joke in a non-racist society would not make sense. It would lack context. The very fact that these T-shirts exist shows that the context of gender and sexual inequality is very much part of the South African existence, and is something that we must monitor, observe and analyse.
That is what our call was about and we are incredibly pleased that they have taken the T-shirts down.
Trying to post a comment on your site, but keep getting an error message. So have posted the comment here.
A sexist t-shirt in a non-sexist society would not make sense? So if a gay man wears a shirt like this, for example the shirt that says ‘S.I.N.G.L.E’, why on earth is it sexist? Please explain.
And what are the male rape statistics in South African prisons? Do the rapists wear shirts advertising their intentions to rape? Honestly, if you don’t have a sense of humour, or understand the concept of others’ humour differing from your own, then you are completely myopic.
Male rape is part of the same system of male dominance which seeks to put people in particular boxes in order to dominate them. T-shirts that condone sexism are about normalising a system that denigrates women, and reinforces this culture of male fear and dominance, of masculinism.
So Jen is it impossible for you to explain why it is unacceptable for gay men to wear these shirts – or is it just a bit ‘too difficult’ for you to explain because it will show the error in your ‘logic’? Ignoring a question does not make it go away conveniently.
The foschini group in general are disgusting – their customer service is the worst I have ever experienced, and their incompetence with misplacing customers money inexcusible! So people boycotting are saving themselves!!!!
There are WAY more important social issues to worry about than these silly T-shirts. This is just a humorous glance at things that are actually happening in our society & a great way to create awareness amongst the youth. Lets just move on already!
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So I read through most of the replies and want to know:
Those who argue for freedom of speech, did you also support Julius Malema’s freedom of speach to sing the shoot the farmer song?
Agree!
Juju’s song was proven to incite violence. in a court. of law. I believe it would be a challenge to prove that these shirts do anything except make sure the spot-faced-virgins wearing them remain so.
This style of argument seems quite common on this blog – taking an example completely out of context and thinking you’ve made a great point. logic and reasoning needs to be taught in our schools – now there’s a cause we should get behind.
FeministsSA, why don’t you spend your time and energy on something else? This is ridiculous!! There are LOTS of other stuff happening in SA that need some boycotting!!
Saw these tee’s in Markhams the other day and was highly offended by them. At the moment I’m one of a (very) few people against them on the thread on the news24 thread on Facebook. The number of men who find them amusing is bad enough but the fact that some women find them funny is too terrifying and just a sad symbol of patriarchal dominance.
highly offended? you have got to be kidding me. what exactly was offensive? is it possible to explain that to us?
For starters it’s ‘speech’ and not ‘speach’. I do not condone what Julius said however like every other South African, he has the right to voice his opinion. If we continue to create a song and dance about everything that is derogatory, sexist, racist and so on then why even live here? Unfortunately because of our past this comes part and parcel of who we are and what we are. Rather let people decide for themselves. Yes Hodes makes a valid point regarding woman abuse,etc etc but banning these things will not stop what is happening within social groups.
WOW – u kittens at Feminista clearly have too much time on your hands! Seriously, let kids wear what the hell they want – next you’ll be burning your bikini because they objectify women (what’s worse?). Get over yourselves, this is 2011 and not 1950 (where you’d be at home in the kitchen). Move on!
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Shame, isnt there something else to whine about? Like the kids who were forced into making your designer clothes?
When a man buys a woman dinner – Chivalry
When a man earns more than a woman – Sexism
Go figure
Here’s the test:
Would you feel comfortable and right saying these things (the messages on the T-shirts) to your daughter, your sister, your mother or your wife?
If not, then they lack taste and should not be allowed.
If yes, then you lack taste and should learn common decency.
How can 12 people, all of whom are female and all feminists get t-shirts removed from a country that has a population of 50 million idividulas who arent all female and arent all feminsits. Have you taken into account how many women dont find it offensive?
Jeanine Cameron, journalist
Paula Chowles, journalist
Rebecca Davis, journalist
Rebecca Hodes, academic
Mara Kardas-Nelson, journalist
Lesley Odendal, journalist
Elizabeth Mills, academic
Michal Singer, researcher
Abigail Smith, women’s rights advocate
Anso Thom, health journalist
Jennifer Thorpe, editor FeministsSA
Your thinking is that we should tolerate other peoples views as long as they dont think oppositely to us, that kind of makes you a bigot as well. I find Man United clothing offensive can 12 of us get them removed from stores?
If you are asking how 12 committed individuals, with the support of many others, can make change then you just need to open your eyes. It has to start somewhere.
What I’d like to know is why you are so afraid of acting yourself, and why you are angered by people less fearful than yourself.
What gives 12 people the right to decide what should be removed from a population of 50million
Im not fearful of acting, I am angry that a few people who are more worried about political corectness think that our whole population should not have something because a minority group of people found it offensive.
Nobody is forcing people to buy the shirts nobody is forcing you to wear the shirt, people are allowed to make their own minds up.
Grant clearly according to Jen Thorpe you may not think for yourself. Jen is a bit too young to remember the apartheid era – but she would have flourished in that environment.
Well to put it plainly, whether the t-shirts sell or not, they got some free advertising and publicity from all the uproar thanks to feminists SA. Go figure..
What gives 12 people the right to do something like this is democracy and free speech. Obviously.
I find it completely hilarious that you are whining about 12 people having “taken away” these precious T-shirts from the rest of the country. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Why don’t all these people who are so angry at the 12 people who wrote a letter to Foschini do the same. Get off your backsides and send a letter to Foschini asking them to rethink their decision if you feel so strongly about it? It’s your free will, but don’t be angry because we happened to take the time to record our unhappiness. I am sorry to say this, but the people who don’t understand why these t-shirts should not be sold, show their ignorance and how completely out of touch they are with our society. We did not take this step because we are trying to be PC, undermine free speech or whatever other accusations have been thrown this way. We did what we believed was right and we still believe it was. Hiding behind pseudonyms and writing silly statements says a lot about you, do something to make the world a better place and stop whining because you want to wear a t-shirt that promotes everything that is wrong.
Have you read the article written by David Moseley about women drivers,other derogatory article about women please check it out.
This comment thread is a good sample of cliched put-downs against feminists (OED definition – someone who believes that women and men are equal) versus our rational, respectful and empirically-based replies. Regarding all of the comments about us feminists wasting our time… many of those who signed the original letter asking Markham to withdraw the t-shirts do actually work full time for organisations. It likely took us less time to write that first letter than it did for Paper Ninja and disillusioned others to bash out their misguided responses.
For those uncomfortable with the small number of people who spoke out against these t-shirts, think about these numbers, and where you, your sister, daughter, wife could fit in to the bigger picture:
1. 37 percent of South African men said they had raped a woman.
2. Nearly 7 percent of men surveyed said they had participated in a gang rape.
3. 51 percent of the interviewed women had experienced violence from men
4. 78 percent of men said they’d committed violence against women.
5. Of the men who had committed rape, one third did not feel guilty.
6. Two-thirds of the men surveyed in that study said they raped because of a sense of sexual entitlement. (Jewkes et al, 2009)
http://www.mrc.ac.za/gender/violence_hiv.pdf
This is a matter of institutional endorsement of misogyny, and it’s just silly to bring this down to a question of individual choice. We live in a culture of impunity around women and men’s sexual right’s, and when institutions collaborate, they should be called to account.
I notice you conveniently ignore the statistics around abuse against men from women. be that as it may, I would say that this situation is primarily caused by the feminist movement. Men are not ‘allowed’ to display male traits anymore; and are constantly encourage to ‘get in touch with their feminimine side’. Have you ever heard of anyone saying that women should’ get in touch with their masculine side’? Somehow, the feminist movement have managed to demonise men, and to instill the belief that all that is bad is as a result of male behaviour. Clearly this is not true. In addition, our sons are also being emasculated by this movement. The moment a little boys behaves, well like a little boy, all hell descends and mothers run off to psyciatrists t ‘fix the agression problem’… whereas in fact the child is jsut being a normal little boy. This disenfranchising of the modern male, a DIRECT result of the feminist movement, has cause the stats that you produced above. In stead of blaming t-shirts, rather look closer to home.
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I think these tees are just demeaning,not only to women but to the bozos who put them on
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